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The North Shall Rise Again

by: wizardkitten

Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 17:08:19 PM EST


I don't know about you, but I'm getting more than a little tired of the "leaders" in the South arguing against any kind of stimulus or help for states that have had to go begging for the past eight years while the Bush administration raided the Treasury for their rich friends. Funny how these Republicans are NOW waving the red flag about "debt" and talking about personal responsibility and throwing all sorts of stuff against the wall...

In this video, while Governor Granholm and Governor Ritter talk realistically about the problems states are seeing due to the Bush Recession, Republican Governor Sanford of South Carolina tries to dodge the issue by fishing for all the red herrings he can find. What in the world does "scale of the global economy" have to do with anything? "Trash" the value of the dollar? NOW he cares about that? Did he speak out against it before when the Republicans were running up the tab? Maybe he did, I don't know, but here he cries about bailing out states such as California, claiming that the people of South Carolina will somehow abandon personal responsibility on spending if we go and do that...

Why should taxpayers across this country go and bail out a state that has grown at a far faster rate, and has provided much more in the way of benefits, than even the federal government? What it means is, the next go-around, the people in South Carolina say "I shouldn't try to hold the line or be circumspect in spending because the government will bail us out".

OK. Fair enough. Gov. Sanford claims that South Carolina can "go it alone". Once again, let's turn to the Tax Foundation...

South Carolina taxpayers receive more federal funding per dollar of federal taxes paid than the average state. Per dollar of federal tax collected in 2005, South Carolina citizens received approximately $1.35 in the way of federal spending. This ranks the state 16th highest nationally and represents a slight rise from 1995, when South Carolina received $1.20 per dollar of taxes in federal spending, ranking it 18th highest nationally.

Well, lookee there. If that is the way that the good Governor from South Carolina wants to play the game, perhaps he can rustle up all that extra federal money his state has received and send it on back to DC. Get together with Senator Shelby, and cut the check. Set that example for the citizens of your states, guys - we wouldn't want them to think you are getting a free ride on another state's taxpayer dollar or anything like that.

Better yet, just send it to us here in Michigan. Looks like we have received the short end of the stick for quite some time now, our population needs receiving well below what we are due...

The CRC concludes: "If Michigan had received the same proportion of all federal payments to states as the proportion of its population to total U.S. population, an additional $14 billion in direct payments would have been made to Michigan recipients in 2007. If Michigan had received the same proportion of all direct payments, loans, and insurance as its percent of the total population, an additional $48 billion in value would have flowed to this state." That's $62 billion. The auto industry wants only $25 billion, and certainly not all of that would come to Michigan.

Imagine what we could do with $62 billion dollars. We could loan some to the automakers, take care of our budget issues, maybe even fix up the roads a bit... I just hope we wouldn't be as selfish when it comes to helping out others as our neighbors in the South have been recently.

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Why does S. Carolina need all that federal money? They must be mismanaging their budget or something.

Friends of mine relocated to S.C. four years ago (outside of Columbia) and boy did they have some interesting stories to tell me when they visited recently. In the last four years, they've seen their sale tax raised from 5% to 9% and food is taxable too.  

They also complained about the many, many fees that S.C. tacks on everything. Their cars were real sticking points with them. In addition to the license renewal fee, they pay taxes based on the value of the car. They own a 5 year old Buick Rendevous and had to pay $550 dollars plus the license fee to get their tabs - and this is paid each and every year. They have two vehicles (the second one is older too) and their fees amount to well over $1000 each year.

Their pensions are taxable in S.C. too so they pay more to the state than they did when they lived here.

Property taxes are lower, but they figure by the time they add up the sales tax, hidden fees on everything from A to Z and the taxable pensions, they're actually worse off.  

They also gave me an earful about the horrible poverty they see everywhere they go. It makes Flint look good by comparison.

It appears that Gov. Sanford is in no position to be giving lectures. He needs to get his own house in order.  


So who made the rule... (4.00 / 2)
that we, or any state, should be a donor state?

A voice in my head tells me not to be so mean to the conservatives.  I work very hard to ignore that voice.

Not sure (4.00 / 3)
But it's something we need to start looking into when some states advocate throwing other states under the bus.  

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Maybe (4.00 / 4)
we should cut off the federal funds to all those welfare queen red states and return the money dollar for dollar...

Good suggestion (4.00 / 2)
Then the red states would be forced to replace the money somehow - like maybe with higher paying union jobs that pay more in state taxes.  

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